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	<description>Make Yourself and Your Business Happy At Work</description>
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		<title>By: Ivana</title>
		<link>http://positivesharing.com/2006/08/why-secret-salaries-are-a-baaaaaad-idea/comment-page-3/#comment-245563</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What constitutes a high level of commitment to a company, will this perpetuate gender inequality in the workplace? Is this conducive to a happy employee and workplace? Does it eliminate competition between colleagues?  From what I&#039;ve read  here thus far, there are some labour friendly suggestions; however, Alex&#039;s suggestions are contextualized in a profit oriented scheme in aim of producing &quot;happy&quot; employees, who are generally more productive and thus, profit yielding and willingly want to work and contribute more to their workplaces. In that case, the choice to work better, more etc is individualized and the element of exploitation is obscured. Thus, happy workers are motivated by a love of their jobs and work, rather than seeing it as the only source of income and sustenance. Understanding the nature of work, attitudes towards employment, changing work contexts, and work ethic can only be understood through a historical understanding of the meaning and social attitudes towards work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What constitutes a high level of commitment to a company, will this perpetuate gender inequality in the workplace? Is this conducive to a happy employee and workplace? Does it eliminate competition between colleagues?  From what I&#8217;ve read  here thus far, there are some labour friendly suggestions; however, Alex&#8217;s suggestions are contextualized in a profit oriented scheme in aim of producing &#8220;happy&#8221; employees, who are generally more productive and thus, profit yielding and willingly want to work and contribute more to their workplaces. In that case, the choice to work better, more etc is individualized and the element of exploitation is obscured. Thus, happy workers are motivated by a love of their jobs and work, rather than seeing it as the only source of income and sustenance. Understanding the nature of work, attitudes towards employment, changing work contexts, and work ethic can only be understood through a historical understanding of the meaning and social attitudes towards work.</p>
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		<title>By: layton</title>
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		<dc:creator>layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed at the number of posts here that support the secret salaries system with nothing but assertions. For those who don&#039;t know what salaries are going where you work, My guess is that you aren&#039;t very well tied in to the underground where you work. Statistics show that you are also among the first who will be subject to termination whenever there are cut backs. How much you have contributed to the company will not enter into the equation, only the fact that you are not plugged into the underground. This is also not fair, but it is reality in a secretive company.

Among the secrets I am aware of at the company I work for, I wonder why there is someone who make $6,000/year less than I do, and gets as much or more done than I do. He knows more about the company as a whole than I do, and is able to fill more hats well than I can. So why isn&#039;t he making as much as I am?

Then again, there is another who used to be worth twice what he was paid (even if he slept half the time he was at work), but hasn&#039;t been able to track the changes to his job when we changed the computer software that ran the company. Now he is struggling to hang on.

The first of these two would do better in an open, honest environment (or I would do worse -- but at least I would know we were being treated evenly)  To deal with the existence of the other -- and every company has one or two like him, you have to be just as open and honest about just exactly what each employee is contributing. Both parts are important. Only revealing one or the other is only revealing half the equation. If that is the case, it is true that other employees will get jealous. But if both sides of the coin are put on the table, then it should answer more questions and complaints than it creates.

However, there is one type of company that should never, under any circumstances reveal either an employees contribution to the company, or his salary. That is a company which is founded on dishonesty, and trying to hide things that they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed at the number of posts here that support the secret salaries system with nothing but assertions. For those who don&#8217;t know what salaries are going where you work, My guess is that you aren&#8217;t very well tied in to the underground where you work. Statistics show that you are also among the first who will be subject to termination whenever there are cut backs. How much you have contributed to the company will not enter into the equation, only the fact that you are not plugged into the underground. This is also not fair, but it is reality in a secretive company.</p>
<p>Among the secrets I am aware of at the company I work for, I wonder why there is someone who make $6,000/year less than I do, and gets as much or more done than I do. He knows more about the company as a whole than I do, and is able to fill more hats well than I can. So why isn&#8217;t he making as much as I am?</p>
<p>Then again, there is another who used to be worth twice what he was paid (even if he slept half the time he was at work), but hasn&#8217;t been able to track the changes to his job when we changed the computer software that ran the company. Now he is struggling to hang on.</p>
<p>The first of these two would do better in an open, honest environment (or I would do worse &#8212; but at least I would know we were being treated evenly)  To deal with the existence of the other &#8212; and every company has one or two like him, you have to be just as open and honest about just exactly what each employee is contributing. Both parts are important. Only revealing one or the other is only revealing half the equation. If that is the case, it is true that other employees will get jealous. But if both sides of the coin are put on the table, then it should answer more questions and complaints than it creates.</p>
<p>However, there is one type of company that should never, under any circumstances reveal either an employees contribution to the company, or his salary. That is a company which is founded on dishonesty, and trying to hide things that they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine a medieval world where you had to bargain for everything, Imagine a world where corporations paid their staff baksheesh.

Just think if you had to negotiate everytime you went to the petrol station. Just because you drive a Rolls Royce you must pay more for petrol.

Just think everytime you went tothe supermarket having to negotiate for the contents of the shopping trolley.

Jobs sold on eBay that&#039;s what&#039;s coming.

My firm [a large American one] is totally dishonest about salaries and rewards. It&#039;s nothing but corrupt. Someone high up is pocketing your salary, the one you should be earning.

In the end these firms will collapse under their own weight of crud. Corruption is so Byzantine.

Pay me the going rate. Advertise the salary up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine a medieval world where you had to bargain for everything, Imagine a world where corporations paid their staff baksheesh.</p>
<p>Just think if you had to negotiate everytime you went to the petrol station. Just because you drive a Rolls Royce you must pay more for petrol.</p>
<p>Just think everytime you went tothe supermarket having to negotiate for the contents of the shopping trolley.</p>
<p>Jobs sold on eBay that&#8217;s what&#8217;s coming.</p>
<p>My firm [a large American one] is totally dishonest about salaries and rewards. It&#8217;s nothing but corrupt. Someone high up is pocketing your salary, the one you should be earning.</p>
<p>In the end these firms will collapse under their own weight of crud. Corruption is so Byzantine.</p>
<p>Pay me the going rate. Advertise the salary up front.</p>
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		<title>By: siteler mutfak dolabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>siteler mutfak dolabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing concept! It makes so much sense! I can’t wait to table this and get feedback. This might just turn our office around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing concept! It makes so much sense! I can’t wait to table this and get feedback. This might just turn our office around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa Demirkol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mustafa Demirkol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like exploring new ideas about current salary systems in the world.

I believe open salary is a necessity if you want a company where people can find honesty, objectivity and productivity. If you try to hide salary info, the only thing you&#039;ll get is a dishonest corporate culture where everyone will gossip.

However, it is really hard to accept some fact that hurts. That is, if you make less than a coworker you&#039;d feel that you&#039;ve been treated unfairly. Even if you&#039;re a super mature and logical person, you&#039;ll not understand the situation in an objective perspective.

The only thing company executives can do (and should do) is to hire new graduates who does not have experience in traditional work environment. By this way you can impose a culture of openness and fairness from the beginning.

You cannot explain the 100 $ difference in salary between two co-workers doing exactly same work if they are experienced people. You cannot expect them to understand your explanations of &quot;dan is getting more than you, because he performs better&quot; etc. They&#039;ll simply be heart broken even if you&#039;re telling the truth. 

I believe that&#039;s why old companies continue this &quot;salaries are secret&quot; policy, simply because they don&#039;t have a culture which can accept this kind of honesty. Since its really hard to reshape a well structured culture, its almost impossible to change this policy effectively.

In summary, you can only try this type of open-salary style if you are a startup (or sth. like that) or you&#039;re hiring fresh graduates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like exploring new ideas about current salary systems in the world.</p>
<p>I believe open salary is a necessity if you want a company where people can find honesty, objectivity and productivity. If you try to hide salary info, the only thing you&#8217;ll get is a dishonest corporate culture where everyone will gossip.</p>
<p>However, it is really hard to accept some fact that hurts. That is, if you make less than a coworker you&#8217;d feel that you&#8217;ve been treated unfairly. Even if you&#8217;re a super mature and logical person, you&#8217;ll not understand the situation in an objective perspective.</p>
<p>The only thing company executives can do (and should do) is to hire new graduates who does not have experience in traditional work environment. By this way you can impose a culture of openness and fairness from the beginning.</p>
<p>You cannot explain the 100 $ difference in salary between two co-workers doing exactly same work if they are experienced people. You cannot expect them to understand your explanations of &#8220;dan is getting more than you, because he performs better&#8221; etc. They&#8217;ll simply be heart broken even if you&#8217;re telling the truth. </p>
<p>I believe that&#8217;s why old companies continue this &#8220;salaries are secret&#8221; policy, simply because they don&#8217;t have a culture which can accept this kind of honesty. Since its really hard to reshape a well structured culture, its almost impossible to change this policy effectively.</p>
<p>In summary, you can only try this type of open-salary style if you are a startup (or sth. like that) or you&#8217;re hiring fresh graduates.</p>
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		<title>By: transitvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>transitvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes a lot of sense...so why exactly are salaries secret?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes a lot of sense&#8230;so why exactly are salaries secret?</p>
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		<title>By: Jambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaries and the amounts paid to people should be made public knowledge, like MPs&#039; expenses. This should be absolute law throughout the EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaries and the amounts paid to people should be made public knowledge, like MPs&#8217; expenses. This should be absolute law throughout the EU.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequals.&quot; - Abraham Lincoln

The above concept is one of the hardest for anyone to understand.  Open Salaries are a bad idea for that reason.  With open salaries, you end up treating someone better than what is deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequals.&#8221; &#8211; Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>The above concept is one of the hardest for anyone to understand.  Open Salaries are a bad idea for that reason.  With open salaries, you end up treating someone better than what is deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: bowhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello this is a great page i work at a place where all wages are a secret and when that is the case you know someone is being paid unfairly and another guy worked with me started after me left came back a yr later and has moved past me and im very hard worker and he has nothing on me i wish there was a web site to post names of all unfair employers ty an good day 2 all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello this is a great page i work at a place where all wages are a secret and when that is the case you know someone is being paid unfairly and another guy worked with me started after me left came back a yr later and has moved past me and im very hard worker and he has nothing on me i wish there was a web site to post names of all unfair employers ty an good day 2 all</p>
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		<title>By: Transparency is good, but scary &#124; Chaosophist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transparency is good, but scary &#124; Chaosophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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