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	<title>Comments on: Ask the CHO: How do you run a business without managers</title>
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		<title>By: JonnyCook</title>
		<link>http://positivesharing.com/2007/01/ask-the-cho-how-do-you-run-a-business-without-managers/comment-page-1/#comment-235200</link>
		<dc:creator>JonnyCook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with everyone about Ricardo Semler and Semco SA. He took over the company in 1980 and started putting his motions into work the next day. Considering Brazil&#039;s poor economy he has done a wonderful job. Employees choose where they want to work, how they would like to dress, have complete control over the companies finances, how many hours they would like to work, they choose their own salaries, they paint their own offices, design their own menus, have hammocks in the garden and all have a 23% of the profit the company makes in a year. There are a total of 3000 employees not including those who have left the company to setup their own businesses under the Semco brand and a waiting list of 3 years.  The company enjoyed great growth in the 90s and continues to grow to this day. Semler also now runs a childrens school under the same principals where the students are in charge.  Some other companies that use this type of management are easyJet, John Lewis and Goretex. Maverick and the Seven Day Weekend are definite recommended reads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with everyone about Ricardo Semler and Semco SA. He took over the company in 1980 and started putting his motions into work the next day. Considering Brazil&#8217;s poor economy he has done a wonderful job. Employees choose where they want to work, how they would like to dress, have complete control over the companies finances, how many hours they would like to work, they choose their own salaries, they paint their own offices, design their own menus, have hammocks in the garden and all have a 23% of the profit the company makes in a year. There are a total of 3000 employees not including those who have left the company to setup their own businesses under the Semco brand and a waiting list of 3 years.  The company enjoyed great growth in the 90s and continues to grow to this day. Semler also now runs a childrens school under the same principals where the students are in charge.  Some other companies that use this type of management are easyJet, John Lewis and Goretex. Maverick and the Seven Day Weekend are definite recommended reads.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pollard</title>
		<link>http://positivesharing.com/2007/01/ask-the-cho-how-do-you-run-a-business-without-managers/comment-page-1/#comment-235179</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb story Alex, i really do think that employee owned organisations, or at least organisations where all employees make decisions about the company are a great thing, and hopefully will be more popular in the future. 

The best company that i have heard of that does a similar thing is a company called SEMCO in South America, run by Ricardo Semler, every decision taken by the organisation is down to all employees involved, they can even chose when they go to work and how much they get paid. Check it out if your interested. Thanks again for your post, i have an essay to write on leadership now and how important management and leadership is, so this will help argue a point.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb story Alex, i really do think that employee owned organisations, or at least organisations where all employees make decisions about the company are a great thing, and hopefully will be more popular in the future. </p>
<p>The best company that i have heard of that does a similar thing is a company called SEMCO in South America, run by Ricardo Semler, every decision taken by the organisation is down to all employees involved, they can even chose when they go to work and how much they get paid. Check it out if your interested. Thanks again for your post, i have an essay to write on leadership now and how important management and leadership is, so this will help argue a point.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: SadPanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>SadPanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam,

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam,</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if ya&#039;ll know this or not... but the ideas of self-management and worker-ownership are pretty old.  It&#039;s called Socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if ya&#8217;ll know this or not&#8230; but the ideas of self-management and worker-ownership are pretty old.  It&#8217;s called Socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Round-up HOWTO Links for the day &#124; zedomax.com - blog about DIYs and Review on reviews of gadgets and technologies...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Round-up HOWTO Links for the day &#124; zedomax.com - blog about DIYs and Review on reviews of gadgets and technologies...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julio: Good point. I can&#039;t say that we never had problems along those lines, but we always solved them together. If people felt overworked or fell behind, they could always say so. Each one of us was responsible for our own workload, for not taking on more tasks than we could handle and for asking for help when needed.

Kevin: I always appreciate your perspective on these things. It&#039;s interesting to imagine how investors and employees might have a common case here. Unfortunately, you don&#039;t see many investors demanding that the company give more power to the employees - even though many cases and studies do show this to be profitable.

OA5 is pretty cool, and quite similar to what we did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julio: Good point. I can&#8217;t say that we never had problems along those lines, but we always solved them together. If people felt overworked or fell behind, they could always say so. Each one of us was responsible for our own workload, for not taking on more tasks than we could handle and for asking for help when needed.</p>
<p>Kevin: I always appreciate your perspective on these things. It&#8217;s interesting to imagine how investors and employees might have a common case here. Unfortunately, you don&#8217;t see many investors demanding that the company give more power to the employees &#8211; even though many cases and studies do show this to be profitable.</p>
<p>OA5 is pretty cool, and quite similar to what we did.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice story.  

I&#039;m not letting the big stockholders of the hook, by any means, because they really do rely on government-enforced privilege to collect monopoly returns on their equity.

But that being said, the hired management probably screws over workers at least as much as the absentee owners do, and without doing the owners much good in the process.

The big stockholders and workers would actually have a common interest in drastically scaling back or eliminating much management, switching over to some version of the Coventry self-management system, and putting management salaries into a worker profit-sharing plan instead.  

Despite the myth of management downsizing, the total percentage of the workforce involved in supervisory work is higher than it was in the &#039;80s, and the percentage of compensation going to supervisors is at a near high of around 40% (compared to 20-something back in the &#039;70s).  

Ever see Scott Adams&#039; proposed management system, OA5 (out at five)?  It required eliminating all positions and spending that weren&#039;t directly involved in creating value (people who write mission statements are right out the door), eliminating most meetings, and expecting everybody to leave on time in return for being productive while they&#039;re actually at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice story.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not letting the big stockholders of the hook, by any means, because they really do rely on government-enforced privilege to collect monopoly returns on their equity.</p>
<p>But that being said, the hired management probably screws over workers at least as much as the absentee owners do, and without doing the owners much good in the process.</p>
<p>The big stockholders and workers would actually have a common interest in drastically scaling back or eliminating much management, switching over to some version of the Coventry self-management system, and putting management salaries into a worker profit-sharing plan instead.  </p>
<p>Despite the myth of management downsizing, the total percentage of the workforce involved in supervisory work is higher than it was in the &#8217;80s, and the percentage of compensation going to supervisors is at a near high of around 40% (compared to 20-something back in the &#8217;70s).  </p>
<p>Ever see Scott Adams&#8217; proposed management system, OA5 (out at five)?  It required eliminating all positions and spending that weren&#8217;t directly involved in creating value (people who write mission statements are right out the door), eliminating most meetings, and expecting everybody to leave on time in return for being productive while they&#8217;re actually at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Julio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a similarly sized company that operates very similarly to the organization described in this blog.  Although in our case it&#039;s much less a case of a conscious decision and more a case of lack of leadership at the upper levels.

One of the pitfalls that we regularly run into that is not mentioned above is the lack of resource management.  My plate will often overfill with work from two or three different people who are completely unaware of what the other is loading up for me.  When I have to delay their work because I&#039;m simply out of capacity, they get jealous or angry, or have already made promises to the customer about delivery time lines.  These situations are generally followed up by long periods where I&#039;m struggling to find enough work to fill an eight hour day.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a similarly sized company that operates very similarly to the organization described in this blog.  Although in our case it&#8217;s much less a case of a conscious decision and more a case of lack of leadership at the upper levels.</p>
<p>One of the pitfalls that we regularly run into that is not mentioned above is the lack of resource management.  My plate will often overfill with work from two or three different people who are completely unaware of what the other is loading up for me.  When I have to delay their work because I&#8217;m simply out of capacity, they get jealous or angry, or have already made promises to the customer about delivery time lines.  These situations are generally followed up by long periods where I&#8217;m struggling to find enough work to fill an eight hour day.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: holdandmodify.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-01-11</title>
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		<dc:creator>holdandmodify.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-01-11</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adam: You definitely have a point, in that this system is easier to get started than to keep going. I think you CAN do it, but it takes constant attention and updating of the model.

anonymoustroll: Thanks for the reality check on SAIC!

Justin: I&#039;ve read about St. Lukes, and they&#039;re an inspiration.

Brian: It IS a risk, but I&#039;m not sure the risk is bigger in our type of organization. It&#039;s true that more freedom means more risk of abuse, but so does tight control and  a demotivating organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adam: You definitely have a point, in that this system is easier to get started than to keep going. I think you CAN do it, but it takes constant attention and updating of the model.</p>
<p>anonymoustroll: Thanks for the reality check on SAIC!</p>
<p>Justin: I&#8217;ve read about St. Lukes, and they&#8217;re an inspiration.</p>
<p>Brian: It IS a risk, but I&#8217;m not sure the risk is bigger in our type of organization. It&#8217;s true that more freedom means more risk of abuse, but so does tight control and  a demotivating organization.</p>
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